{"id":1237,"date":"2026-04-03T10:30:00","date_gmt":"2026-04-03T14:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/?p=1237"},"modified":"2026-04-03T12:14:04","modified_gmt":"2026-04-03T16:14:04","slug":"breaking-the-spiral-of-silence-how-to-talk-climate-without-the-doom-and-gloom","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/2026\/04\/breaking-the-spiral-of-silence-how-to-talk-climate-without-the-doom-and-gloom\/","title":{"rendered":"Breaking the Spiral of Silence: How to Talk Climate Without the Doom and Gloom"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"563\" height=\"665\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-1.jpg\" alt=\"A portrait of Kait Birghenthal smiling in front of a blue body of water, representing her work in ocean and climate interpretation.\" class=\"wp-image-1238\" style=\"width:429px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-1.jpg 563w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-1-254x300.jpg 254w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 563px) 100vw, 563px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Kait Birghenthal, President and Project Coordinator for NNOCCI, joins the podcast to share the power of strategic climate framing.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" \/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019ve all been there: you want to talk about the environment, but the conversation feels like a one-way ticket to a &#8220;Sarah McLachlan commercial&#8221; level of sadness. You worry about being too political, too nerdy, or just plain depressing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode, <strong>Kevin Matteson<\/strong> sits down with <strong>Kait Birghenthal<\/strong>, President and Project Coordinator for <strong>NNOCCI<\/strong> (the <a href=\"https:\/\/nnocci.org\/\">National Network for Ocean and Climate Change Interpretation<\/a>). Based out of the Marine Mammal Center in California, Kait is on a mission to swap &#8220;crisis talk&#8221; for strategic framing that actually moves the needle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Whether you\u2019re an educator, a scientist, or just someone who cares about the planet, this conversation offers a masterclass in breaking the &#8220;spiral of silence.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-vertical is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-group-is-layout-f9faaab3 wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium\"><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/vGfwJrebUp0?si=AUdQhwJxmFzUTkft\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"68\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview-300x68.png\" alt=\"Listen on Youtube\" class=\"wp-image-432\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview-300x68.png 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview-1024x233.png 1024w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview-768x175.png 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview.png 1047w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium\"><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-heat-trapping-blanket-why-the-earth-cant-kick\/id1866616919?i=1000759053760\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"71\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/apple-podcast-1-300x71.png\" alt=\"Listen on Apple Podcast\" class=\"wp-image-435\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/apple-podcast-1-300x71.png 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/apple-podcast-1-768x182.png 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/apple-podcast-1.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/5UzYXwxuB0nwDDPVkcdxqn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"73\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/Spotify-300x73.png\" alt=\"List on Spotify\" class=\"wp-image-437\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/Spotify-300x73.png 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/Spotify-768x186.png 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/Spotify.png 1015w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" \/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"666\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-2-1024x666.jpg\" alt=\"Kait Birghenthal giving a slide presentation to an engaged audience of students at the Rhode Island Youth Climate Conference.\" class=\"wp-image-1239\" style=\"aspect-ratio:1.537548300386403;width:723px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-2-1024x666.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-2-300x195.jpg 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-2-768x500.jpg 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-2-1536x999.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-2.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Kait speaking at the first Rhode Island Youth Climate Conference, hosted by the Rhode Island Environmental Education Association (RIEE) at Roger Williams Park Zoo.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3 Key Takeaways<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>The &#8220;Heat-Trapping Blanket&#8221; Metaphor:<\/strong> Stop using &#8220;Greenhouse Effect&#8221; (which sounds cozy and productive) or &#8220;Global Warming&#8221; (which sounds like a nice day at the beach). Instead, describe the atmosphere as a blanket. Burning fossil fuels makes that blanket thicker, trapping heat and disrupting the climate. It\u2019s a salient, tested image that everyone\u2014from kids to adults\u2014can instantly visualize.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>The Power of &#8220;Sentinels&#8221;:<\/strong> Use local, relatable species to tell the story. Kait shares how The Marine Mammal Center treats baby elephant seals who were separated from their mothers by extreme storms and rising sea levels. By focusing on these &#8220;sentinels,&#8221; who share our same waters, we can see the front-line impacts of climate change in a way that feels urgent but actionable, rather than abstract and global.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Bridge and Pivot:<\/strong> When faced with a skeptic or a &#8220;numbers&#8221; person, don&#8217;t get defensive. Use the &#8220;Jedi Mind Trick&#8221;: <strong>Acknowledge<\/strong> the question (&#8220;That&#8217;s an interesting question&#8230;&#8221;), <strong>Bridge<\/strong> (&#8220;What&#8217;s important to remember is&#8230;&#8221;), and <strong>Pivot<\/strong> back to the core mechanism or solution you want to discuss.<br>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Note from Kait: When faced with inaccurate claims, it is important to avoid reinforcing them. Recent research details the \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.niemanlab.org\/2024\/08\/repetition-makes-climate-misinformation-feel-more-true-even-for-those-who-back-climate-science\/\">Illusory Truth Effect<\/a>\u201d where humans are more likely to believe an incorrect claim if repeated over and over. This means that climate communicators need to be careful in how they conduct a \u201cBridge and Pivot,\u201d acknowledging the question without reinforcing incorrect statements.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" \/>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Hidden Gem<\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Did you know that <strong>sea otters<\/strong> are actually secret weapons against climate change? Kait explains how these &#8220;ecosystem engineers&#8221; keep urchin populations in check, allowing kelp forests to flourish and sequester carbon at a rate equivalent to taking millions of cars off the road.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" \/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"244\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-3-1024x244.jpg\" alt=\"A three-panel image showing an aerial view of a parking lot in a wetland, a group of NNOCCI volunteers planting shoreline vegetation, and a finished walkway leading to a restored water habitat.\" class=\"wp-image-1240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-3-1024x244.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-3-300x71.jpg 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-3-768x183.jpg 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-3.jpg 1265w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>A &#8220;parking lot to paradise&#8221; transformation at the Marine Discovery Center in New Smyrna Beach, FL. Pictured center: crouching on the right, Director Chad Truxall and NNOCCI volunteers during a planting session. (Photos courtesy of Marine Discovery Center)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-4-1024x768.png\" alt=\"A group of smiling NNOCCI members posing together at Busch Gardens Tampa, with a giraffe visible in the background on the left.\" class=\"wp-image-1241\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-4-1024x768.png 1024w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-4-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-4-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-4-1536x1152.png 1536w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/02\/Birghenthal-4.png 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>The NNOCCI 2023 Trainer Course cohort at Busch Gardens Tampa. This Southeast US group was supported by a grant from the NOAA Environmental Literacy Program.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><em><strong><em>Listen to the episode on&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/project-dragonfly\/id1866616919\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2N62uyldLzQnNQpxFJaETm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify<\/a>,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=85UrXLEoOR0&amp;list=PLGw8EM9GvgXEIZIg5VCqU4HPExwydxBhd\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">YouTube<\/a>,<strong><em><strong><em>&nbsp;<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/strong>or on your favorite podcast platform.<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>Check out the full list of podcasts on our <a href=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/dragonfly-conversations\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"464\">Dragonfly Conversations<\/a><\/strong> <strong>page<\/strong>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We\u2019ve all been there: you want to talk about the environment, but the conversation feels like a one-way ticket to a &#8220;Sarah McLachlan commercial&#8221; level [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9425,"featured_media":1238,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_topic_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_reply_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[14],"tags":[28,30,36,27,37,32],"class_list":["post-1237","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-dragonfly-conversations","tag-climate-change","tag-conservation-psychology","tag-informal-science-education","tag-inquiry-based-learning","tag-non-profit-leadership","tag-scicomm"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1237","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9425"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1237"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1237\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1441,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1237\/revisions\/1441"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1238"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1237"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1237"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1237"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}