{"id":1019,"date":"2026-01-23T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2026-01-23T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/?p=1019"},"modified":"2026-02-09T15:41:39","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T20:41:39","slug":"how-to-redefine-wilderness-from-the-bronx-to-mongolia-with-dave-johnston","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/2026\/01\/how-to-redefine-wilderness-from-the-bronx-to-mongolia-with-dave-johnston\/","title":{"rendered":"How to Redefine &#8220;Wilderness&#8221;: From the Bronx to Mongolia with Dave Johnston"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"533\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog.png\" alt=\"Dave Johnston standing atop a large rock formation in Mongolia, looking out over a vast, grassy landscape under a bright blue, cloudless sky.\" class=\"wp-image-1020\" style=\"width:717px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog.png 533w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog-300x225.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 533px) 100vw, 533px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Dave Johnston surveys the &#8220;Land of the Big Sky.&#8221; In the Mongolia Earth Expedition, students leave the concrete jungle behind to experience a landscape where you can drive for days without seeing a single paved road.<\/em><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Imagine driving a van across a landscape so vast it\u2019s called the &#8220;Land of the Big Sky.&#8221; You have no GPS coordinates and no specific destination. You simply drive until you spot a white felt tent\u2014a <em>ger<\/em>\u2014on the horizon. You pull up, knock on the door, and ask a complete stranger, &#8220;Can we come in?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In Mongolia, the answer is almost always <em>yes<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is the kind of immersive, human-centered conservation experience that <strong>Dave Johnston <\/strong>champions. As the <strong>Director of Professional Development at the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS)<\/strong>, Dave challenges the notion that conservation is just about counting animals in pristine forests. Whether it is students testing water quality next to a party on a pier in Brooklyn or sharing milk tea with nomadic herders, Dave believes that saving species starts with understanding people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of <em>Dragonfly Conversations<\/em>, we discuss the hidden ecology of New York City, the power of the &#8220;teacher multiplier effect,&#8221; and why you don&#8217;t need to be a biologist to save the planet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-vertical is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-group-is-layout-ce155fab wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=gw709b_fajg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"68\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview-300x68.png\" alt=\"Listen on Youtube\" class=\"wp-image-432\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview-300x68.png 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview-1024x233.png 1024w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview-768x175.png 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/youtube-image-removebg-preview.png 1047w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium\"><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/from-the-bronx-to-mongolia-urban-ecology-the\/id1866616919?i=1000746351081\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"71\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/apple-podcast-1-300x71.png\" alt=\"Listen on Apple Podcast\" class=\"wp-image-435\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/apple-podcast-1-300x71.png 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/apple-podcast-1-768x182.png 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/apple-podcast-1.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4EM9YKHB8RHDy0Z0KhV7kj?si=jeYs5flYS4imH29ukb4f4A\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\" noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"73\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/Spotify-300x73.png\" alt=\"List on Spotify\" class=\"wp-image-437\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/Spotify-300x73.png 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/Spotify-768x186.png 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/Spotify.png 1015w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" \/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"973\" height=\"532\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/david-blog2.jpg\" alt=\"A view of the southern tip of Manhattan, showing the dense cluster of skyscrapers in the Financial District surrounded on three sides by the waters of New York Harbor.\" class=\"wp-image-1021\" style=\"aspect-ratio:1.8289633492891333;object-fit:cover;width:717px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/david-blog2.jpg 973w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/david-blog2-300x164.jpg 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/david-blog2-768x420.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 973px) 100vw, 973px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>While often viewed as a concrete monolith, this view of the southern tip of Manhattan highlights the reality Dave Johnston teaches: New York is a &#8220;City of Islands&#8221; defined by its relationship with the water.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>3 Key Takeaways<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>NYC is a &#8220;City of Islands&#8221;<\/strong> We often think of New York City as a concrete monolith, but Dave reminds us that it is a biodiversity hotspot built on an archipelago. The WCS Urban Ecology course uses <strong>Jamaica Bay<\/strong>\u2014a massive wetland system near JFK Airport\u2014as a living laboratory.Students quickly learn that ecology isn&#8217;t equal across the city. You can stand in one part of the bay and feel like you are on the Jersey Shore, and move a few miles away to find a biodiversity &#8220;cold spot&#8221; surrounded by dense development. It is a stark lesson in how urbanization creates ecological disparities within the same ecosystem.<br><br><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>The &#8220;Teacher Multiplier&#8221; Effect<\/strong> Dave is a conservationist, but he is also a social scientist. He argues that while teaching 30 children is valuable, teaching 30 <em>teachers<\/em> changes the world. If one educator reaches 100 students a year, training a room full of teachers can impact tens of thousands of minds over the course of their careers. By giving educators the tools to integrate conservation into standard curricula (not as an &#8220;add-on,&#8221; but as a lens for learning), we create a massive lever for social change.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog3.jpg\" alt=\"Two students wearing waders standing thigh-deep in water, working together to drag a large seine net through the water for marine sampling.\" class=\"wp-image-1022\" style=\"width:717px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog3.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog3-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog3-768x576.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Getting their feet wet in the &#8220;City of Islands.&#8221; Students in the use seine nets to sample biodiversity at Coney Island, Brooklyn, discovering that New York City is a living, breathing wetland ecosystem.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Conservation is a Human Discipline<\/strong> For decades, the field focused on biology\u2014tracking elephants and counting salamanders. But Dave points out a hard truth: &#8220;Conservation is an anthropogenic issue. Humans caused the crisis, so humans need to solve it.&#8221; We need biologists, yes. But we also need lawyers to write contracts, social media managers to tell stories, and social scientists to understand economic drivers. If we only study the biological symptoms without addressing the human causes (like economics and culture), we will never solve the crisis.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" \/>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Hidden Gem: The &#8220;Party on the Pier&#8221; Reality Check<\/strong><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>We often romanticize fieldwork as solitary, quiet time in pristine nature. Dave bursts that bubble with a reality check about doing science in the urban and heavily populated landscape of New York City.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He shares a story about students conducting serious water quality testing on Canarsie Pier\u2014right next to a raucous party. While the students are hauling up buckets and checking dissolved oxygen, locals are fishing and blasting music just feet away. It is the perfect illustration of Dave\u2019s core philosophy: Urban ecology isn&#8217;t about finding nature <em>apart<\/em> from people; it&#8217;s about doing the work right in the middle of humanity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" \/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" src=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog4-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"Two American Bison standing in a grassy exhibit at the Queens Zoo, with a group of young children visible in the background observing them from behind a fence.\" class=\"wp-image-1023\" style=\"width:717px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog4-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog4-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog4-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog4-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/files\/2026\/01\/David-blog4.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Connecting the next generation to the wild. Dave argues that while conservation biology is vital, education is the lever for change. By training teachers at WCS facilities like the Queens Zoo, we ensure that the wonder children feel when seeing these bison turns into lifelong environmental stewardship.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong><strong>Listen to the episode on&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/project-dragonfly\/id1866616919\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2N62uyldLzQnNQpxFJaETm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify<\/a>,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=BR71_sQWYDQ&amp;list=PLGw8EM9GvgXEIZIg5VCqU4HPExwydxBhd\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=gI3t_pPo5Kg&amp;list=PLGw8EM9GvgXEIZIg5VCqU4HPExwydxBhd\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">YouTube<\/a>,<strong><strong>&nbsp;<\/strong><\/strong>or on your favorite podcast platform.<\/strong><\/strong> <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><em><strong>Check out the full list of podcasts on our <a href=\"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/dragonfly-conversations\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"464\">Dragonfly Conversations<\/a><\/strong> <strong>page<\/strong>.<\/em><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Imagine driving a van across a landscape so vast it\u2019s called the &#8220;Land of the Big Sky.&#8221; You have no GPS coordinates and no specific [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9425,"featured_media":1020,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_topic_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_reply_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[14],"tags":[22,21,27],"class_list":["post-1019","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-dragonfly-conversations","tag-advanced-inquiry-program-aip","tag-earth-expeditions","tag-inquiry-based-learning"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1019","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9425"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1019"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1019\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1135,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1019\/revisions\/1135"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1020"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1019"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1019"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sites.miamioh.edu\/dragonfly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1019"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}